Sunday, August 5, 2007

Negotiating CashCall, Credit Cards and Other Lenders?

Below is the transcript from my CashCall call - one of my unsecured lenders. It’s roughly a $10,000 loan which was taken out about a year ago to pay for Burdett property repairs.

Also, if you look at my financial statement spreadsheet you will see I have $175,000 of unsecured debt (lines of credit, credit cards, private loans, etc) which will take at least $10,000 to bring current. And then the minimum payments with current interest rates will be over $3,000 per month.

I believe a couple of the accounts have gone to collections now. Keep in mind the spreadsheet hasn’t been updated in a couple of months so the unsecured debt numbers and amount to bring current are higher now.

Most of the money was used for property repairs, related travel, utilities, floating mortgage payments and some living expenses. I don’t know exactly how much went where yet. We have all the receipts though and are still organizing the books for 2006.

Here are some questions for the community. Reply in comments:

  • How did I do with CashCall negotiation?
  • What could have I done better?
  • What should be my goal and end result of the negotiation?
  • Is it even worth negotiating with my unsecured lenders at this point? How is it going to help me?

Thanks for anonymous IamFacingForeclosure fan for the CashCall call transcript:

First Call

Mr *BLIP*: Cashcall, this is Mr *BLIP*. May I please have your loan ID number?
CS: Oh you know what, I don't have the ID number. Should I call back with that or can you look me up by name?
Mr *BLIP*: I can look you up via social.
CS: Social. Sick. *BLIP* *BLIP* *BLIP* *BLIP* *BLIP* *BLIP*
Mr *BLIP*: And this is Casey?
CS: Yea. This is Casey. I'm just getting back to you. Yea. By the way is that OK to record this call so I can record some of these payment terms if we're able to come up with them?
Mr *BLIP*:

If you want to record the call? For future reference? I… If you feel it is necessary, I don't want to get into an argument with you over recording a call… Do whatever you feel you want to do.

CS: Sure that way if we agree on something, then I have it ready to go.
Mr *BLIP*: Then that's fine. Err…Go ahead…
CS: You said the other day that you were going to send it to legal. Has that happened yet or do I still have a chance to do something?
Mr *BLIP*: You still have a chance to do something. I don't make a decision on this file before the end of the week.
CS: Ok… Erm… Now in terms of payment and arrangements and all that, what can I expect? Do we need
to do a financial statement first?
Mr *BLIP*: Ok. Here's what I can do for you. It's this. Right now you're two payments behind for a total of $440.96 plus $60 worth of fees on your account for a total of $596. I'm sorry $500 dollars and 96 cents. Your minimum payments are $220.49. Excuse me $220.48… I'm having a hard time looking at my screen right now… Hmpph…You tell me what it is that you're able to do as far as a payment and I will tell you what I can do from that point.
CS: Uhm… Are we able to have maybe a really small payment for a few months and then resume payments just so we can catch up on all our other bills?
Mr *BLIP*: Ok in order to do anything I'll need at least $220.48.
CS: Ok. So like you said before you're going to need the first month's payment right? Or at least one month's.
Mr *BLIP*: Right, First month's. At that plan time once you make the first month's payment, I can then do one of two things. I can go ahead and take a financial statement from you and offer you a possible deferment or a modification on the loan. With a deferral, we will take your other payment that's past due, and we will add it onto the back of the loan. And also to your next month's payment and add it on the back of the policy when all our payment *unintelligible* Now for the modification it'll be the same thing however you could possibly lower the interest, possibly lower the interest rate as well.
CS: And to …
Mr *BLIP*: Lower the payment and lower the interest rate.

CS:

And to find out what I could qualify for in terms for modification do we need to first make that payment or can you, would you be able to tell me right now so I can plan?
Mr *BLIP*: I can tell you that right now. Let's go ahead and take your financial statement.
CS: Ok let's do that… *silence*
What…Wha… Do you need to ask me questions on that? Or?
Mr *BLIP*: Yeah. Bear with me two second while I pull the screen.

CS:

Ok.
Mr *BLIP*: Ok how much a month are you paying in mortgage? Or childcare? Alimony?
CS:

Uhm. No mortgage but just rent. Will that suffice?

Mr *BLIP*: 500 hundred?
CS: Oh no. you mean just rent as rent except healthcare?
I'm just paying rent. It's err… Let's see 600 dollars a month right now.
Mr *BLIP*: And do you have an automobile payment?
CS: No.
Mr *BLIP*: No… ? And do you have a car insurance payment?
CS: Yes. It's Er… Let's see
Mr *BLIP*:

And who is it with and how much a month?

CS: It's err.. Allstate and we're paying I believe 150 dollars per month.
Mr *BLIP*: Ok. And now with your rent, does it include all your utilities?
CS: Er yes that.. oh wait… Hold on 600 dollars plus there's about a hundred dollars in utilities.
Mr *BLIP*: So electric is running how much a month?

CS:

Electric is about… about maybe half of that. And then there is gas and there's… there's on top of that there is also cable.
Mr *BLIP*: Ok. So gas is running how much?
CS: Uhm.. It's about… It varies. Right now it's more. Uhm.. so we have gas at about 50. Electric about 15.
Mr *BLIP*: And nothing for water?
CS: Erm. No. We don't really pay water. This one is covered as part of the rent.
Mr *BLIP*: And home phone how much?
CS: Home phone?
Mr *BLIP*: Yes?
CS: We don't have a home phone. Just cell phone.

Mr *BLIP*:

And that's costing how much?
CS: Uhm. Cell phone. Uhm… I think its two hundred dollars.
Mr *BLIP*: And your cable is running how much?
CS: Cable is 50 dollars. That's… That's cable and internet access combined.
Mr *BLIP*:

Ok. And are you paying on any credit cards right now?

CS: Uhm. No not at this point right now.. We're just..
Mr *BLIP*: And you are paid.. how many..how often are you paid? Weekly,bi-weekly, twice a month or monthly?
CS: Right now I'm just trying to figure out our financial situation…uhm considering getting a job… at the same time I'm doing web site design. So I do some freelance consulting and design and so that's… I do have jobs coming in but they're not super stable right now. I'd say right now I'm between one and two thousand dollars per month.

Mr *BLIP*:

On average how much are you making per month?
CS: We'll just average that out at between $1500 per month.
Mr *BLIP*: And then your [family]. [Are they] bringing home an income as well?
CS: No she's not. But we do have… We do have additional payments that we're doing for err… for… some of the credit cards when we can. Lately we haven't been doing that but we're trying to set that aside and Figure out who we can and who we cannot pay.
Mr *BLIP*: And how many dependents?
CS: No dependents.
Mr *BLIP*: Ah.. ok. Are you receiving anything for alimony or social security?
CS: No. Negative.
Mr *BLIP*: And your [family] is not working at all?
CS: No right now she's not but she's… err
Mr *BLIP*: Is she receiving an extra allowance or anything?
CS:

She was a student but now she.. We've just quit school so she can maybe you know help with the finances and get a job.

Mr *BLIP*: And what we're not going to do is we're not going to include her phone bill if she's not working.
CS: Ok.
Mr *BLIP*: How much does it include for yourself..? A hundred?
CS: Wait… You said the phone bill?
Mr *BLIP*: Yea… The cellphone…
CS: It's kinda of a combined… It's err.. shared.. You know a shared plan I think is what we have.
Mr *BLIP*: How much is your phone? Well it's the majority of that. Her phone is just a little part of it. It's just an add-on to.. to the bill. We can make mine 180. 'cause I use the majority of the minutes.

Well the $1500 that you're making roughly. Is that what you're usually making or are you making more?

CS:

Well it's between… Lately last couple of months it's been between $1000 and $2000 so I'm just averaging that out. $1500. For example this month…
Mr *BLIP*: Ok. Now the reason you've fallen behind. Exactly what's going on…?
CS: This month… It's been about a…
Mr *BLIP*: I don't have the first page up and I'm going to review my notes so if you could just remind me.
CS: Oh the reason for falling behind? It's because business just kinda took a dive. I have some contracts before and I was doing some jobs and things. But now it's just kinda a slow spot. And err… we're trying to get some more jobs coming in or get a full time job. Between my [family] and I, probably get two jobs. We're considering all that right now.
Mr *BLIP*: Yea… You're finding it… more business… *tapping on keyboard*
CS: Yea.
Mr *BLIP*: And yes.. *tapping on keyboard*
Hold on for me for a minute and a half OK? It may be a minute and a half … two minutes… *hold music plays*

Sir…?

CS: Yes.
Mr *BLIP*: Right now, I'm showing your income is too negative. What I want you to do is this. Look back your last three months. Tell me what you made each month the last three
months.We're going to average that. Hopefully we're going to be higher than $1500.
CS: Aww… Like I said it fluctuates. I don't have it in front of me. Do you want me to just go off a little bit…
Mr *BLIP*: Look just try… Just try to think back the last three months what you made?
CS: So we just need to raise that figure a little bit….Sounds like… Uhm.. Let me see. Well I mean.. it was a little higher before and one month it was lower. Really it is $1500. Like I said that's why we're kinda in financial problems right now. I'm just scraping by right now.
Mr *BLIP*: Ok. Let's go through this again. 'cause we need to get this lower somehow. Your mortgage your paying… Your rent.. Right you're paying exactly 600 a month.
CS: Yes.
Mr *BLIP*: Your automobile payment. You do not have one correct?

CS:

Correct. No payments
Mr *BLIP*: Your Allstate insurance is running at exactly $150.
CS:

That's actually low but it's at least that much. It might be a little higher now because we've had a traffic ticket.

Mr *BLIP*: So… Ok.. Your… Your electric and gas is running at $150 a month each.
CS:

Yes

Mr *BLIP*: And you're paying $180 for your cellphone.
CS: Yea and that's…
Mr *BLIP*: How much is your cellphone?
CS: My cellphone is at least $180. That's a low estimate because sometimes I go over my minutes.

Mr *BLIP*:

And you're paying $50 for cable and that includes your internet access?
CS: Correct.
Mr *BLIP*: Yea. The problem that we're running into right now for a modification is that you're too negative for a modification… or a deferment for that matter.
CS: Well I do have… We can probably do the income about 2000 dollars.
Mr *BLIP*:

So now you're saying your income is about 2000 dollars a month?

CS: Based on some things that should be happening here so… Between two and three thousand is what we're projecting but just we can go with two thousand to be on the safe side because I don't want to state it too high.
Mr *BLIP*:

Hold on one second. *Hold music plays*

CS: And sir. Uhm… Now when you said business took a dive, you mean you lost clients?
Mr *BLIP*: Yes. I lost some clients and also I was doing some real estate transactions. Before we were fixing up some homes. We were looking to get into that business as well but that didn't go over very well. Actually I'm in foreclosure on several of those homes and also the market took a dive. But you don't need to hear all those excuses. That's basically just…
CS: No. I do need to hear all those things because I need to know exactly what's going on. Uhm… Now you said business is going to pick up?
Mr *BLIP*: Uhm… Well the real estate business for now is.. we're not going to do too much of that. In terms the… my consulting business where I do technology consulting and website design, I'm still doing that and that's where we're going to expand in order to use that for a primary income. And so that's why we're projecting $2000 maybe $3000 in the next couple of months that we should be able to start making on the web site design business. *silence*

Is there a certain…

CS: You said your insurance went up a little bit? What is it now?
Mr *BLIP*: What was that?
CS: You said your insurance went up a little bit?
Mr *BLIP*: Well. It might. Like I said, we just got a speeding ticket.
CS: Oh. You don't know yet…?
Mr *BLIP*: It may have affected the… I'll just say $150 is actually a very conservative estimate. Also we have health insurance that we're paying… other bills.. that wasn't really part of your questions but… that's most of the bills right there.

CS:

You said you had other bills? What are these other bills?
Mr *BLIP*: We have health insurance that we pay and that's 200 dollars a month. That's for self employed health insurance.

CS:

Is basically what you're saying that if we're not making enough, our options are limited because we're not able to modify the loan in any way?
Mr *BLIP*: Well… I'm working on that right now. I'm trying to get that done for ya. I just need the best information I can possibly get from ya… in order to make an educated decision here.
CS: Sure.
Mr *BLIP*: Believe me. I'm working on it as we speak.

CS:

Thank you very much.
Mr *BLIP*: Health insurance is running $200 a month?
CS:

Yea.

Mr *BLIP*: Ok. What we can do is get you a deferment. Apparently you're not going to be approved for the modification.
CS: Ok.
Mr *BLIP*: But the deferment will get you another two months to let you get back on your feet. *Windows sound effect* Plus take your past amount and add it on the back of the loan.
CS: Ok. That sounds really reasonable.
Mr *BLIP*: I'm sorry that does what?
CS: Sounds very reasonable.
Mr *BLIP*: Ok.
CS: What does deferment mean? It means the loan is the way it normally is with no modifications to the payments? It's just we'll just have a couple of months to get going on the finances?
Mr *BLIP*: Correct. What we'll do is once… err… The deferment is good for one year meaning in a year from now if things change. You make your 12 payments. You can then possible get a modification or deferment. You'll give us your new information at that point in time. But…Look… You won't be able to get anything else from us for a year. For twelve payments I should say.
CS: So that's what you're saying it's a twelve payment deferral, correct?
Mr *BLIP*: No. I'm sorry.. I'm sorry if I've confused you. It's a two payment deferral. We're going to take the two payments that are past due after you make the payment for $220.46. I'm sorry $220.48. The payments that are past due, we're going to add them to the back of the loan. We're also going to take your April payment and add that to the back of the loan. Here's what you need to do in order to get that. Ok. You make the payment for the $220.48 which is your February payment. We will waive the late charge also. That's a total of $60 dollars. Now in order to get that, you make the payment. We're going to e-mail you some information. It's a new contract. So you're going to sign that. It's not even a contract. It's just a statement saying we're going to get it from you. You're going to sign that and fax that back to our office … by the 31

st.

CS: Ok
Mr *BLIP*: In order to get that done, we need the payment made by the 30th so we can get you all the information set out for you.
CS: So as soon as you get the payment you can… we can get going with the payment deferral… for two months.
Mr *BLIP*: Yea. The sooner the better because it gives you more time to gather whatever information you need to gather which isn't really anything except you checking your e-mail. When people send a fax, we don't necessarily always get it. You wanna check that. Make sure we check the fax then you're good to go.
CS: Ok. Uhm. Now if we're not able to go with this plan, what.. what's our downside? 'cause I'm looking at all our options.
Mr *BLIP*:

Then I can't help you. Unfortunately there are no other options at that point. If payment is not made by the 31
st
I need to then go ahead and forward this over to the legal department.

CS: So we're pretty much out of time at this point, right?

Mr *BLIP*:

Yea.
CS: Alright. Uhm.
Mr *BLIP*:

I just want to be as brutally honest with you as I can right now.

CS: No I appreciate that. I'm just.. At the same time I don't want to sign up… something I may or may not deliver. That's why I want to consider. After two payments, if we're not able to continue making the payments, are we going to be worst off than we are now or is it at least… we've tried something?
Mr *BLIP*: Here's the deal. By one, you're going to clear out your credit, OK? Because we're going to bring your payments current. You're not going to be hit with a 30 day mark. It's alsogoing to buy you two more months, by that time the business is hopefully going to pick up.
CS: Yes, so that's good.
Mr *BLIP*: Your [family] is thinking about going back to work.
CS: Yea. Exactly.
Mr *BLIP*: I'm sure in two months period of time, you're going to be getting everything straightened out that's going to be straightened out. Uhm. This is going to buy you the two months if nothing else. You're going to be much worst off if you can't do it. Of course it's not going to be good if you can't do it. You'll be back in the same situation. But it sounds to me like you want to get this taken care of…It sounds to me like…
CS: Oh yeah I'm looking for all different options. I don't enjoy not making these payments.
Mr *BLIP*: No. I understand completely.
CS: I have these creditors and so… I'm sure you deal with people in this situation all the time so you hear all sorts of excuses but… Yea. It's definitely tough right now.
Mr *BLIP*: It would also stop all phone calls which I'm sure is probably pretty stressful. Uhm…
CS: Yea.
Mr *BLIP*: You're going to be clear for two months of not getting any phone calls. And hopefully you're going to be able to maintain you monthly payment and then you won't be getting any more phone calls. But… that always helps… You're not looking at the possibility of *unintelligible* at your apartment for at least two more months, you know. And then you have a few more months after that. You still have two more months before that happens. So you're actually buying yourself quite a bit of time.
CS: Yea. It's good to know. I really appreciate you being reasonable. And I know I have been not very good at returning those calls.
Mr *BLIP*: Well, I understand you know, you don't call when you don't have it and I kinda follow that. It is important though to remain communication open so we know what's going on and we know what to do for ya.
CS: Yeah. Now let me just ask about another option 'cause we're looking at all options. I mean we're looking to see if we can make payment plans with all the different creditors. Of course bankruptcy is still an option for us but we're not sure we wanna go that route. And then is there an option to maybe do a settlement if we're able to borrow some money somewhere from a friend and family and do maybe a refinance settlement at a lower amount? Is that an option?
Mr *BLIP*: Yea. We can.. We definitely do settlements here.
CS: What kind of a settlement can we be looking at?

Mr *BLIP*:

It would really depend on what you've got going on at the time you had the money.
CS: Ok so basically…
Mr *BLIP*: I can't really give you a figure right now.
CS: Ok. And would you be the one to deal with on the settlement? Or is there somebody else?
Mr *BLIP*: Yea. You can deal with me directly. That's fine.
CS: Ok. And then for the settlement. Once we have our money, you just need to know how much we have available and then we can talk at that point or.. how do you do it?
Mr *BLIP*: Yea that's what we would *unintelligible*

CS:

'cause I need to know…
Mr *BLIP*: Of course everytime you make a payment, you're bringing down your balance which in that turn is bringing down your settlement amount so there's… I mean once you have the money today or tomorrow there's no point in me giving you a settlement amount because it's going to change the remark.
CS: I need to know what to expect 'cause then I need to be checking into my sources and see what we can come up with.
Mr *BLIP*: Right now I can pretty much approve you for a $9752 settlement.
CS: Is that… That's… That's pretty much the pay out.
Mr *BLIP*: That's what I'd be wanting to ask of anybody. Now your problem is $10374.91
CS: So by about $1000 difference.
Mr *BLIP*: If you have the funds right now, I really need to know .. and say let's say you had… I don't even want to give you figures… I don't want to throw you off. You know what I mean? But if you have a lot of money right now and it is what you feel like. By all means I'm going to take it to whoever I need to take it to to see if we can get it done for ya.
CS: Yeah. I see.
Mr *BLIP*: That's why I'm saying. When you've got the money, let's talk then.
CS: OK. That makes sense. Like I said, we're looking at that as a possibility. We've have some people in our circle of influence that told us we might be able to do a settlement and if we could find a way to borrow money where it might be better off for everybody rather than stringing everybody along. So we're looking at that.
Mr *BLIP*: Right.
CS: So.
Mr *BLIP*: That helps you credit too by taking care of this really quick…
CS: With your settlement. Is there going to be something reported to credit that it was paid for less than the full amount.
Mr *BLIP*: Of course. Of course. It's paid less than full. Yes. It'll appear on your report… As for any credit company.
CS: But I guess it's better than some of the other options.
Mr *BLIP*: I'm sorry. What was that?
CS: It might be better than some of the other options, right?

Mr *BLIP*:

Oh of course. It's better than a bankruptcy. It's better than… err..
CS: Late balance…
Mr *BLIP*: Whoa.. Whoa wait.. exactly… continuous late.
CS: ok
Mr *BLIP*: *unintelligible* credit party *unintelligible*
CS: Sounds good. And.. Has this one report… been reported already to the credit.
Mr *BLIP*: Yes. The report is 30 days delinquent.
CS: Ok. Sounds good. Alright… Well…
Mr *BLIP*: Once we give you the deferment, we bring that current. Your credit will no longer be reported. I wanna be honest with you. I've been in the credit industry a long time. Having one late 30 day mark on your credit report … It's not a big deal.
CS:

Yea well…

Mr *BLIP*: It's when you continuously have that mark, and its continuously on all your accounts, and you know its all the time, then it's when the credit industry is going to say well something is going on with him that isn't too right, you know. Everyone gets their one mark you know once in a while. It just happens.
CS:

You see actually… With this loan… With Cashcall we've been paying this the very longest. Everything else we're about 6 months behind. We're only 2 months behind. We're just trying to find a way to at least pay for this one and a couple of other ones. But .. uhm so.. but it's anyway…

Mr *BLIP*: So what's the game plan right now? You tell me.

CS:

The game plan is for me to check with my [family]. She's my partner and we're going to consider this option and we do really like the ability to, you know, skip a couple of payments and not get caught out so… I need to get back to you uhm.. probably within a day here.. 'cause we're running out of time so…
Mr *BLIP*: Yea.. Yea.. That'll be great. So I'll expect a call from you tomorrow?
CS: Let's err.. Let's do something tomorrow afternoon. I should be able to get back to you on something.
Mr *BLIP*: Let me give you my hours I'm here tomorrow. I'm here tomorrow from 9 to 6. However I might be staying a little later. Going to take a break from 1 to 2.
CS: Ok and that's Pacific?
Mr *BLIP*: Yes. Yes, sir.
CS: Sounds good. Thank you.
Mr *BLIP*: Ok. Have a good day. Good Luck.

Second Call

Mr *BLIP*: Thank you for calling Cashcall. Can I please have your loan ID number?
CS: Let me give you my social security number instead.
Mr *BLIP*: Sure.
CS: *BLIP* *BLIP* *BLIP* *BLIP*
Mr *BLIP*: This is Casey Serin?
CS: Yea. Getting back to you.. Been talking with my [family] about the plan that we discussed couple of days ago and wanted to know, is there any possible way we can do the plan by not having to pay the full month payment? Because we literally have $40 in our checking account. Can we do $40?
Mr *BLIP*: No. It'll have to be the $220.48.
CS: $220.48?
Mr *BLIP*: Yea. It's the only way I can hold this file.

CS:

Ok. So… So if I don't have this full payment, there is nothing else you can do at this point?
Mr *BLIP*: Well, actually let me put a supervisor on the phone. Maybe you can ask her to let you do something. Just wait a sec. Ok? Hold on. *Hold music plays*
Supervisor: This is *unintelligible* supervisor. How can I help you?
CS: I was just discussing a payment plan with *BLIP* there.
Supervisor: Ok? How can I help you sir?
CS: And he said the minimum payment that you'd need to do a payment plan is one month's payment, correct?
Supervisor: I'm sorry…? Is one month's payment?
CS: Yea. It was 200 something dollars…. And that's what I was saying and I just wanted to know is there any way I can do less than that… all I have in my checking account is $40. Would you take $40 to do the payment plan?
Supervisor: No sir. Unfortunately we can't do that. You're borderline 3 months past due.
CS: Ok. Uhm… I might be able to get some more money. What's the minimum you're going to be able to take? I don't think we can come up with $200 in the next couple of days. We just paid rent and uhm…
Supervisor: Ok. Why is your account running this far past due?
CS: We've have some business problems and our income kind of dropped off for a few months and right now we're trying to get it back up.
Supervisor: Ok. I barely heard what you said, sir.
CS: Oh, I was saying business took a dive and uh… our incoming dropped so we're trying to get it back up… And or looking for a job that we can do. We do have somethings that we do right now but there's not a lot of stability.
Supervisor: Ok. You barely had this account for a year and not even made a full twelve payments on it. When do you think you'll be back on your feet? Well I was speaking with Mr *BLIP* and he was saying I could do a two month delay on payments. And then we… We can submit you for a two month deferment.
CS: Ok. I was under the impression that…
Supervisor: Oh… Ok no. He just told me that you'd been pre-approved but that's on contingent upon payment of $220.48 in my office no later than 12pm Eastern Standard Time tomorrow. It actually expires today.
CS: Ok.
Supervisor: If you can come up with it by 12 o'clock tomorrow. I will be here until then. I'll go ahead and accept that.

CS:

Ok… Uhm… Can you do any less than that? No, sir. They will no accept… The investors will not accept any more…
Supervisor: I'll tell you what. If you're able to do that, I'll offer to wipe off your $60 in late charges.

CS:

So what would it be…? my payment…
Supervisor: Your payments are $220.48
CS:

Ok. So the $60 late charges. That would be just for this last month you mean?

Supervisor: No, that's all of your late charges, the $60 total. I'll wipe that to a zero balance.
CS: Oh. Ok.
Supervisor: I do appreciate that. So uh… $220.48 by 12pm… tomorrow.
CS: Ahmm… And do you have the Moneygram information?
Supervisor: Ok. Moneygram is the way to do it, right?
CS: Ahmm…
Supervisor: So…Is it… Which date.. Which time stamp are we using… Basically I need to put it into Moneygram by 12pm or does it need to arrive on your side by 12. As long as you do it by 12 and call me to tell me a few minutes after. I'm fine.
CS: Ok. Should I uhm… I'm going to see what I can do. I'll check some resources… Maybe ask some friends and see what we can do. Ok. Thank you very much.
Supervisor: Alright?
CS: Appreciate it.
Supervisor: Alright. Thank you, sir. Bye-bye.

108 Comments

  • Useless. Absolutely useless. Its all gonna be wiped away in your bankruptcy filing (due to be filed after the last foreclosure goes through). Why even bother?

  • 2. WHY YOU SO AFRAID OF THEM?
    April 5th, 2007 at 9:08 am

    Casey,

    WHY ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF CASHCALL???

    are they going to beat you up??? why are you so afriad of them???

    or they have something about you that you can not tell us about??

    why a scary cat now???

  • In financial ruin, yet still dropping $200 a month on cell phone bill….get a job.

  • 4. JLIN the LOL guy
    April 5th, 2007 at 9:23 am

    I find it so hard to listen through the entire call… aw man, I wouldn’t want to put myself in your shoes.

    You need a hug, Casey.

    http://paulgraham.com/wealth.html

    Build wealth, slowly, steadily. My friend.

    JLIN the (no LOL) guy for today.

  • 5. NO MORE DONATIONS
    April 5th, 2007 at 9:27 am

    SORRY DUDE,

    WE WILL NOT DONATE ANY MONEY TO YOU, you big liar,

    GOOD LUCK~~~

  • 6. The Foreclosure Gnomes
    April 5th, 2007 at 9:30 am

    Step 1: Spend hours a day not working, but rather moderating comments on a pathetic website detailing the many failures of my life.
    Step 2: ?
    Step 3: Profit.

  • New ASW word: failforward!

    Once everything is sold/forecloses you are going to be in a prime spot to BK. Let’s face it, BK is not going to hurt your credit score, you have a very low income stream that will not interfere with the BK, you have $175K in unsecured debt, you will not have the fraud issue with BKing with the badly documented house loans still active (they won’t be part of the BK). Your BK will be a slam dunk.

    Cashcall won’t work with you. The other lenders won’t work with you. They are going to be asking for payoffs, not payment plans. They will be suing you soon. BK is appropriate and ethical for someone in your position.

    Afterwards, learn .NET or J2EE and get a 60K job. But after, not before the BK.

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  • It won’t do you much good to negotiate until you can offer to repay them, in whole or in part, without missing any payments. It won’t matter if you get them down to 0% interest rates, if you default on the (lower) payment, they will probably apply the prior, higher interest rate retroactively. You need to be able to offer them something before you’re in a position to negotiate.

    I was surprised, the guy from CashCall was very professional and spent a lot of time going over the options with you.

  • 9. LSD in the Juice
    April 5th, 2007 at 9:46 am

    Maybe you can get rid of your loan if you work there. They are hiring collection specialists.

    http://jobsearch.cashcall.care.....amp;fn=549

    Why did you borrow from a loan shark??

  • “How did I do with CashCall negotiation?”

    You mumble too much. Speak like a man darn it! Many times the Cash Call rep would ask you to repeat something. Hear the way HE talks? He sounds human, you sound like a mumbling nerd who deserves to lose (loose?).

    “What could have I done better?”

    Nothing. They have you by the cajones my young padawan. Wasting the supervisor’s time wasn’t smart. You also sound silly for having a $180/month phone bill. My monthly PDA/Cell bill is $79/month dude. Why so high? Why are you so willing to blow money when better deals are out there?

    Also, he laid out the deal and I loved how you tried to get him down to $40. If I was him I’d just say goodbye sir, we are now moving to legal. Face it, you dug the hole and you have no leverage (weren’t you the one who said leverage is sweet?).

    Do yourself a favor next time. Don’t talk about settlement unless you have the cash onhand. That guy wasn’t taking you very seriously on that matter and he also sounded a bit perturbed you kept asking. NO creditor is going to settle with you for any less than 20-30% off the quoted amount due. Fact.

    “What should be my goal and end result of the negotiation?”

    Since no credit card company or note loan organization is going to allow you to put off paying them, try to get deals like this one. In the end, nobody can say you weren’t working it.

    “Is it even worth negotiating with my unsecured lenders at this point? How is it going to help me?”

    Yes, it’s always WORTH trying. You have a tendency to ask silly questions like this. Didn’t you learn anything? Even businessmen who have little education or basic training know that ongoing negotiations are important as you never know when the other side will give in and make a “sweet” offer.

    But then again, you aren’t a businessman or an entrepreneur. You are basically every deadbeat I’ve read on complaint boards for places like Cashcall. Guess what kid? YOU took the loan. YOU signed the deal! YOU knew the repayment terms. I love how you act all innocent and awestruck at all this. All this proves to me is that you are not meant to be anything with the word BUSINESS or ENTREPRENEUR attached to it. Trashman, sure…Fryman, okay. Juiceman Sweet! Businessman, no way kid. No way.

  • CONSIDERING GETTING A JOB?

    WTF is there to CONSIDER?

    That is like me saying “Even though my house is burning down around me, I’ll have to CONSIDER getting of my @ss and walking out the front door.”

    You deserver everything you got coming…

  • Honestly, my advice is to pay off the personal loans given to you by your friends and family. And not pay a single cent to any CashCall or unsecured lenders. Sending CashCall $225 and leaving your friend with nothing (whom you owe $2200?) is unbelievably callous.

  • 13. someone who knows better
    April 5th, 2007 at 9:56 am

    Casey Casey Casey

    I don’t have time to read your entire post/comments…have to go back to W-O-R-K.

    But I did want to stop and say those are wonderful questions you asked.

    What you fail to understand, is, you always ask questions of your readers. Some are qualified to give you advice, some…well not so much. But all of us possess common sense.
    The problem is, no matter who gives you that advice….you don’t listen to any of it. You just go ahead and blithely go on your merry little way.

    Many people have given up giving you advice or answering your questions because of it.

    Think on that.

  • Casey:

    I know you are busy with “sweet deals” but how about updating the financial statement (add in the tax liability you owe from all the forclosures).

    I don’t get it why you seem to have no problems blowing off lenders that you owe thousands a month but seem to want to pay the idiots at Cash Call (don’t take any offence Cash Call guy).

  • Casey,

    Even the collector guy at Cash Call can see you need more income and less expense. Why oh why won’t you get a job?

    Have you closed that “third deal” you told me about yet? How close are you?

    You can’t negotiate without income. Period.

    ASW-letsdoit

    Get a job, please?

  • 16. jackie_treehorn
    April 5th, 2007 at 10:30 am

    I just heard some story about a kid who stood up to CashCall and got his entire balance wiped clean with no damage to his credit report. His name was Larry Sellers. He lives over by the In-and-Out Burger by me. Evidently his dad wrote the theme songs to some popular TV shows back in the day. His dad is in very poor health, and Larry explained this to them. He has to pay a huge monthly fee to operate an iron lung to help his dad breathe.

    Anyway, he simply wrote them a letter explaining his situation, and that he was about to come into a million dollars from some weird deal he had with a local rich guy (totally bogus by the way). The problem was, the letter fell out of his pocket and he lost it between the cushions of his car seat. Luckily a couple guys found it, and tracked him down to his house.

    But the weirdest part of the story is that one of the guys who showed up to present Larry with the letter went absolutely apeshit and started smashing Larry’s neighbor’s new Corvette with a crowbar. Totally out of nowhere! Luckily the neighbor was home, and chased them both away with a ballbat. Lucky for Larry! Those guys must have though Larry had the million bucks.

    Long story short, Larry was then able to send this letter to CashCall and get his balance forgiven. I think he then went into business selling rugs and made a killing.

    Good Luck Dude!

    - Jackie

  • Casey,

    Surely you have spoken to BK attys who have told you that selective payment of debt is not allowed and will be frowned upon by the BK Court in a very big way. I suggest you contact them again, IMMEDIATELY, and form a plan of action to rid yourself of these problems.
    I have offered to help you several times and I have yet to hear from you.
    I can only assume, youd rather play with the guys who promise you the world who are intent on stealing the remainder of what you have. If you are reading, thats you Mr. Swaby.
    Your handleing of this call was horrible and I bet your attys will FREAK when they read it.
    GO .. NOW .. CALL THEM …. dont jeopardize the only way out you have.

    Michael

  • I would presume your goal for dealing with your unsecured debt is to discharge it.
    So we have a goal: Discharge debt.

    What are the methods to discharging your debt?
    I can see three methods to discharging your debt, each method becomes less appealing then the previous method.
    1. Pay the debt off.
    2. Declare bankruptcy (and deal with the legal fallout).
    3. Have your creditors take legal action against you (and deal with the nastier legal fallout).

    Assuming you want to pursue option 1 (Pay off the debt): you have to come up with money. A good amount and on regular basis.
    So you need a regular source of income so you can start sending payments to your creditors. Despite what some people have said, more creditors are willing to take partial payments in lieu of complete payments. So if you are at least trying to pay back/keep up on your debt it looks a great deal better than trying to ignore them completely.
    So to keep up on your debt you need to be making 50k/year. None of that money will be going to toward food, rent, car payments, insurance etc.

  • 19. Loads O Money
    April 5th, 2007 at 10:36 am

    Hey Casey Man,

    You remind me of a guy from England, who wrote a book ” The World is Blue” or something like that (its in bookshops now - its pretty good). He is an autistic savant - he has an amazing memory and can do amazing things with numbers - cos he sees numbers in colors and shapes. For example, when he was 10, his brother asked him multiplication questions, 5×7, then 12×13, then they got hard and harder, until his brother finally asked him “whats 82 x 82 x 82 x 82″ Well this guy thought for about 20 seconds then came up with the answer.

    Point is Casey, that this guy’s brain must be wired differently to the rest of us. I would have thought what he did was impossible, but it clearly isnt, based on how is brain is wired.

    I think your brain Casey is wired very differently from mine. Why do you care about Cashcall. You think their legal department are the MOB ? Their legal department is a similar department your houses passed through before they went to foreclosure. You seem to want to pay cashcall - why ?

    This is a mystery to me.

    Here’s what you do. Dont pay anyone anything and get cash in hand. Do rehab work ? Be a painter !

    Why dont you follow a general contractor around doing rehab work so you can learn for your future real estate business.

    The only other reason I can thing you called Cashcall is so you would have something to write about on this blog.

    You dont have to do this Casey - all you need to do before you retire to bed is to write exactly what you did each day - and post that,

    Oh and by the way Casey - the tactics those Cashcall guys use are exactly the same type of tactics I use on tenants to get money…… I recognise exactly the same stuff…

    Loads O Money

  • 20. GetLucky@TheSandsCasino.Com
    April 5th, 2007 at 10:41 am

    Yo, here’s a sweet deal. Get your girlie to go get a huge loan…she’s not ruined (yet), and she can get a sketchy loan as easy as you used to. Grab a loansky for all the money you need, all $500,000+.

    Then go to the casino and bet it all on “black”. If you win, BAM!!!, you are out of debt and have 50% profit margin. If you lose, who gives a crap, you’re filing for bankruptcy anyways.

  • Casey,

    I don’t understand why you don’t declare bankruptcy and start over? I mean, your credit is already tarnished to the point that bankruptcy will not make it that much worse.

    FT

  • Mr. Serin!!!

    You are currently #8 in Google Search for “cashcall”.

    Congrats!

  • he doesn’t tithe 300 a month. he puts that there to feel good about himself and make himself look like a good christian and even if he did ‘tithe’. It’s not tithing when it’s not your money!

  • 24. Dread Pirate
    April 5th, 2007 at 10:55 am

    You already posted the sound files to these. Why are you bothering posting transcripts (with mistakes in them no less)?

    I don’t know why you care so much about Cashcall, as others have already said. Go bankrupt. Until then, ignore them. I mean really, what is it you think will happen? They can hardly make your credit score any worse. And they can’t take any of your pay check because you don’t have one. It’s an unsecured loan (besides it’s not like you own anything worth taking, unless you’ve been hiding something). What exactly do you think is going to happen if you don’t pay them? I guess this is just where your gullible nature comes in - they tell you “or else” and you believe them.

    More than anything, if you want to make it as an entrepreneur, you need to figure out when people are bullsh*tting you. Usually people who deal it out can smell it from others, but I guess you’re an exception.

  • 25. Casey on Suze Orman
    April 5th, 2007 at 11:13 am

    Hopefully you’ll file BK the day after your last foreclosure. That’s the best thing for you, and you can attempt to pick up the pieces and start your life over.

    Who the heck spent all the time to type out your conversation? You had a link to the actual voice conversation, so why type out the whole thing? Seems like a total waste of time.

    Cheers.

  • 26. NotoriusPIA
    April 5th, 2007 at 11:20 am

    Is it even worth negotiating with my unsecured lenders at this point? How is it going to help me?

    Hehh. “Pay back every dirty penny…” My, my, my, how the times have changed!!

    So, no, it won’t help you one bit and you know it. You decided a long time ago that your situation was hopeless and that you’d just sit back and let everything go into foreclosure and then file BK. There’s just that one sticky little issue that you cannot seem to get rid of, though. The fact that you willingly participated in mortgage fraud numerous times with numerous people. You committed multiple felonies that defrauded people to the tune of $2 million dollars. You need to deal with this one.

    My recommendation is that you go to the FBI immediately and start squealing some sweet™ states evidence (oink, oink!) You’re going to have to rat out every person that played any part in all of your criminal acts, including the sellers that participated in the cash back deals. And, yes, that will be ugly.

    When you create a mess, you have to clean all of it up — not just the convenient parts that suit your fancy on any given day.

    BTW, thanks for asking for some advise™ — there might be some hope for you after all.

  • 27. Girly Rizer
    April 5th, 2007 at 11:35 am

    You are hundreds of thousands in mortgage debt, completely ignoring your credit cards and somehow cashcall warrants an effort?

    You are an insolvent failure. You have no job and refuse to get one. Fact is no creditor at this point could squeeze a dime out of you no matter how hard they tried. They can win all the judgements they want, a BK court would render them moot.

    Of course you know this already. The whole Cashcall thing is just another drama for the dramahore to milk so he can keep getting pageviews to his blog. You have a few more begging sessions planned no doubt. But the readers will lose interest just as quickly as you lost your homes.

    Maybe you can claim you have a fatal disease as your next ploy to keep getting attention.

  • 28. Talk to a Lawyer
    April 5th, 2007 at 11:57 am

    Casey,

    You have more than 175,000 in unsecured debt. The second mortages on you foreclosed houses are now unsecured debt. Really need to pull all three of your credit reports to get a more accurate number.

  • casey, lower your monthly cell phone bill by signing up for a new plan at www.fatboycellular.com

  • 30. SubPrime Nation
    April 5th, 2007 at 12:04 pm

    “..Keep in mind the spreadsheet hasn’t been updated in a couple of months…”

    Why not?

    Been too busy?

  • Casey:

    How about a big BLOG party at the Modesto home the night before you “loose” it to forclosure. If we have a good turnout with Homey the Clown, Timeline Guy and even Cash Call guy it should be fun. You can even invite the haters at the Cote BLOG…

  • “How did I do with CashCall negotiation?”

    You gave them a good idea of how much money they can get out of you each month. If you lied, you will not be so successful next time. If you told the truth, you’ll find that they sap away about as much as they can each month. I call this “having you by the short curleys”.

    “Is it even worth negotiating with my unsecured lenders at this point? How is it going to help me?”

    You will get to keep your car. Do you have any other assets?

  • 33. Liberal_Elite
    April 5th, 2007 at 12:40 pm

    Declare Bankruptcy and move on dude. Your 15 minutes of infamy are over.

  • I wouldn’t give cashcall or any other creditor one more penny. They cannot take what you do not have. Let your last house go to foreclosure, file bankruptcy, and start your life over. First get a job that has a consistant income, and do your other stuff on the side. You are young and IF learn from all of this, and you’ll be much better off in 5 to 10 years.

    http://www.icantsellmyhouse.blogspot.com/

  • Maybe you are already thinking BK but not disclosing it to anybody as of yet.

    I’m no BK expert, but wouldn’t threatening BK make these ppl like Cashcall settle for pennies on the dollar?

    You should talk to an expert on that kind of thing.

  • Just had a guy who owes me 35K file BK. In 2005 I had another tenant write 2 bogus checks and then file BK costing me $5K. Very common. Most of my debtors who don’t pay don’t file BK but just disappear off the face of the earth.

    Once your goes to a collection agency, you can send them a letter demanding that they cease contact with you. At that point, their only option is to sue you. If you are sued, it may be a good idea to file BK. If they don’t sue you, you can let the statute run (4 years). If you owe taxes, you may need to wait 3 years before you can BK out. You may need to file 13 first, then wait and convert to 7 to get rid of all the taxes. You really need expert advice about this. If you are not sure if you owe taxes or not because your accounting and record keeping sucks, you should file the return anyway. This starts the statute ticking. Once you file the return, the statute starts ticking and the IRS only has 3 years to challenge you in an audit unless they can prove fraud. Sweet. However if you owe tax and don’t pay it there is no statute of limitations. This time its Sweet for the IRS.

    Sucks to be you but, hey, its all good dude.

  • 37. TimeLineGuy
    April 5th, 2007 at 2:01 pm

    Ok, OK OK! All of you Haters™ Quit piling on!!!

    After I hit the update button, I went back and did the spell/grammr™ check thing.

    Here it is fixed.

    If you’re bored enough to click on the link and read what I spent someone elses™ hard earned money on, here is my misery. Please be kind and don’t doit™.

    CashCall call is one of my plentitude of unsecured lenders. It’s way more than the original $10,000 loan that is now at 99.44%™ interest. It was taken out about a year ago to keep up my standard of living™ and hope to God that the real estate market rebounded like all the realtors® said it would.

    Also, if you dig through the archives and figure out where I posted my financial statement spreadsheet you will see I have $175,000 of unsecured debt (lines of credit, credit cards, private loans, etc) which will take at least $10,000 to bring current. And then the minimum payments with current interest rates will be over $3,000 per month. I have been meaning to update this, but I have been very busy networking™, building my team of trusted professionals™ and scheduling my various late night business meetings™.

    One of the haters™ posted a while back that a couple of the accounts likely should have gone to collections by now. Keep in mind the I have been so busy conducting my business meetings™ that I simply have not had one spare minute free with which to update the spreadsheet. Yes I know that it should be a priority, but my team of trusted advisors™ is so close to completion that I can’t stop putting together these key positions. This probably means that the unsecured debt numbers and amount to bring current are so recklessly disconnected to reality as to be meaningless. I’ll make a note™ to put this update on my list of things to do™. Soon.

    Most of the money was used for lving large, well beyond my means and trying too™ look like a tycoon. Sue there was plenty of bling and many specialty multi-vitamins (as you are well versed now, a modified vegan™ diet can leave a low level of certain important nutrients in the body. Some, like vitamins C4, C14, and H2O are vitally important). Yes there was essential travel (the Burdett™ Realtor’s® office was somehow inexplicably located on Kauai) floating mortgage payments (I’ll make a post about thesailing yacht vacation in Aruba next week) and some living expenses (Krugerands are way sweet™). I don’t know exactly how much went where yet. We have some of the receipts though and are still organizing the books for 1998.

    Here are some questions for the community. Reply in comments:

    How did I block certain phone numbers (CashCall) frmom even ringing on my cell phone?
    What could have I done worse?
    What should be my ideal multi-vitamin and how much animal protein can I consume and still be modified vegan™?
    Is it even worth opening my November mail at this point?

    Thanks for anonymous IamFacingForeclosure fan for the CashCall call transcript (the $680 money order was mailed today):

    Keep reading →

  • ASW: thingy

    What a lame ASW, but at least these calls more than made up for it. You made me LOL at least 4 times! Thanks!!

    The absolute best was the raise in income from $1500 to $2000 right there, while on the phone! PERFECTO - BRAVO!!

  • Most economics is about adding value. Somehow you have managed to create large amounts of debt out of thin air.

  • The transcript gets pretty lol when CS and Mr Blip do a little role-reversal toward the middle. Like some SNL skit from the 90s..

  • You didn’t tell CashCall about the $4,200 you had to invest in the penny stock through your corporation this month. You are clearly lying to both CashCall and us about your financial situation, since you have access to this additional bankroll of cash on the side.

  • 42. RogerSmith8080
    April 5th, 2007 at 3:26 pm

    –The Man
    I agree with all your statements except:
    “BK is appropriate and ethical for someone in your position.”

    I don’t think it’s ethical to rob a bank with a pen. Even if legally he can be cut loose from such obligations. However this is of course Casey who long throughout ethics when he filled out the paper work on his liar loan so ethics should not stand in his way on this call either.

    How the payment collector kept his cool and didn’t just try to reach through the phone and ring your neck is beyond me. I don’t think any reasonable person or even his boss would have had a problem if the collections guy (Mr. Beep) through in a “Jesus Christ man! You have to be kidding me. I going to save us a lot of time and just send this to legal now so we can get the ball rolling because you are hopeless.” He could have slipped that in at just about any point in the conversation and it would have been logical.

    Might I add:
    BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
    BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK
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    BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK BK

    –Keep living the Dream
    Roger

  • 43. Chris Johnson
    April 5th, 2007 at 3:50 pm

    Why waste your time? Negotiating really only works when you have something to pay them with, or can offer a pennies on the dollar lump sum payment and agree (in writing by both sides!) to forgive the rest. And if you do by chance run into some funds for a lump sum settlement, know that they’re much more willing to negotiate the further you fall behind.

    Let them know you want to communicate by written form only, no phone (which is allowed under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act), ignore them, and file BK later or negotiate when you really have some money to pay them.

    Paying them now just means they’ll call you more, cuz they’ll believe can get more money out of you next week, and the next week, and the next week.

    Oh, and they have no problem lying to you to get more money, even though it’s against the law. Wait, you know all about lying!

  • Your best bet is to change your phone # or not take these idiots calls. That goes for all credit cards, collection agencies (CAs) and anyone else who wants to get paid.

    Typically, when dealing with a past due account, these lenders get telemarkers who get paid a bonus/commission based on how much they have extorted out of you. Many times they are outsourced. So what you are looking at is someone who will lie/cheat you to suck any money they can from you. They are not looking at your overall financial situation.

    The best strategy is to first deal with lenders who are negotiable - that means Citibank, Chase, WF. If you payments are more than 90 days behind, call up the collections dept and tell them the situation. They all know once the debt gets charged off they have to sell it for pennies on the dollar or paid a collection agency 25%. So they’d rather deal with you at this point.

    You should try to get the interest rate back in line - around 15%. And then make one montly payment which is reasonable to cover all your Citi’s, Chase, etc.

    Don’t deal with Cashcall until they are about to write off the account. They would have to be insane to sue if. Their scare tactics are limited and there is no debtors prison. If they ever get out of line just file a complaint with the BBB (bbb.org).

    Lets say for interest they write it off the debt and send it to a lawyer. The lawyer gets paid on on contingency and sues you. What lawyer is going to sue you once he realizes you owe 175k and don’t work. None, especially if you answer the lawsuit. (90% of debtors default).

    You are actually in a really good situation to negotiate down your debt because 1. neither of you works and 2. you owe about 15x the normal debt load people can manage. So there is no way you’ll pay.

  • No-one can help you here. I suggest you call the Carleton Sheets hotline. Or maybe that scam artist Rich Dad/Poor Dad can help you.

  • 46. Horatio, as in "ALGER"
    April 5th, 2007 at 4:48 pm

    Casey, What did it really get you. Will this payment decrease your loan balance? Will the extra two months really help you?

    Sell that car and what ever you have left and pay the bastards! Then, cut all cards and hunker-down for a real JOB for a while. GEEZ!

  • Mr. Blip lost some clients? I think you have the tags reversed on some of the captions. Fail forward, yo…

  • Pretty shoddy transcription there, Casey. Free isn’t always good, you know. Generally, you get what you pay for.

    So if, as the transcript says, they told you to get your payment to them by noon EST, and you didn’t get it to them til 1pm PST (with a one-hour extension), then you didn’t keep up your end of the bargain, did you?

    Not that you’re going to approve this.

  • I think that you should read a book on BK from the library or Amazon. Then you can make your own decision. I have not done a BK myself, but you seem to be a good candidate. I am not sure if you can do this without an attorney, check the book, but I think so.

    Negotiation is give and take. You should have something to offer in order to start negotiating. When they give something, you should give something too. You have to realize when you have the upper hand, and when you don’t. You have to put yourself in the other person’s position. Perhaps you can practice negotiating using somebody that you know first.

    ‘No’ is the most important word that you can say. Always be ready to walk away.

  • Dude, just reading your blog sends cold shivers down my spine. If I were in your shoes I wouldn’t be able to sleep, eat, or do anything with that debt hanging over my head.

    Man, you really need to declare bankruptcy. It’s your only hope to get out of this mess. Maybe you are afraid you will get charged with fraud and that is why you are dragging this out but I don’t see how you have any choice. Your creditors are going to bring the fraud up themselves in court when they sue you. Your blog is all over the news, magazines, etc. Hell, you are on freaking wikkipedia!

    Congrats on your 3rd anniversary by the way.

  • You borrowed 10k from Cashcall to finance the Burdett repairs? That’s funny - I could have SWORN you said you used all that illegal cash-back-at-close to finance the repairs on your properties.

  • 52. Cash is King
    April 5th, 2007 at 6:16 pm

    She obviously dopesn’t know Casey very well!!

    “I’m sure in two months period of time, you’re going to be getting everything straightened out that’s going to be straightened out.”

    HA HA HA. Oh yeah!

    Also, it is amazing to see how easy it is for you to make false statements. You lost clients??? You go from $1500 to $3000 income in less than 5 minutes?? AAARRGH!!!

  • 53. Meds please
    April 5th, 2007 at 6:30 pm

    Ok now what? You are talking to a lender about money you don”t have and won’t pay, why? Is this cute or fun in some way?

    If this is fun you are sick. If you think its cute, you are wrong. If you think people will put up with you forever you are wrong. Soon you will no longer be a toy to play with but a burdon. You will be pushed out to make it on your own.

    I really can’t see you pulling out of this mess with anything. If you take everything seriously, you will get a normal job, go BK and then what. You are entitled to more? Yes you will quit and do it all over again.

    Why waste the effort. First off you are not really a smart guy. So what, most people arn’t. You really have no idea how things work and how people operate. You are a walking time bomb. It doesn’t matter where you are or what you do it will just blow up. People around you will be hurt.

    Have you ever seen the face of sombody with a lobodomy? They are allways smiling. It doesn’t matter what happens they allways smile. The only difference between them and you is that they really don’t harm anyone. They actually shower more often and add more to society.

    One day you can hope to be so lucky. In the present time find a good doc, get some good meds and get a bad job. Stay away from thinking and harming others. Why waste the effort.

  • 54. innocentbystander
    April 5th, 2007 at 6:33 pm

    Casey,

    OK, so turn the page on the foreclosure site. It’s time to turn it into a BK site and double down on your page hits.

    I like where this is going.

    Let’s be honest, BK is a much bigger market than foreclosure. Once that runs its course then you can turn it into a more generic fraud/scam site with lots of departments that you can farm (franchise) out. Everybody loves that kind of thing. After all, we’re Americans, right?? You want passive income? Well, it’s sitting there right in front of you now, and it’s bigger than the $5k a month you wanted and it requires zero risk on your part. Sweet™!!

    Reminder: Your cyber persona and page view numbers are the most important things in your life. That’s all you really “own” right now. So market it.

    And bite back at the RE gurus. Add a pay-for subscriber section with insti-news alerts. Make mad bank off the fraud departments of the future site, like used autos, home improvement scams and infomercials. You also need a real-time unmoderated discussion forum. This blog thing is unworkable in a real time world. RSS stuff means nothing to the vast majority of people.

    Hell, I bet that Heekee would back you in a big way on that action and still not charge you a dime for hosting.

    Steer the ship, captain. Theball is in your court.

    PS: Thanks for losing Nigel.

  • @38: “The second mortages on you foreclosed houses are now unsecured debt.”

    Wrong, dude — a foreclosure wipes out all the junior debts.

  • 56. YouGOttaBeKiddingMe
    April 5th, 2007 at 6:57 pm

    Casey, you sweet dumb child, when the CashCall guy said you were too “negative” to qualify for a moderation of you loan, he didn’t mean you had too little income……
    ….he meant that yous income, minus the expenses you told him (aka “made up”) left enough money to make a payment to them each month.

    Dummy - - instead of suddenly claiming your income was actually higher than you had said (which would then mean you were more able to make your payments to them), you should have lied the other way and claimed higher monthly living expenses (thus leaving you less money each month to pay them with).

    You’re just insane. Your delusions of adulthood are getting pretty old. Get over yourself, deal with reality for a minute and face facts.

    You barely know enough to have dug such a horrific hole for yourself ,you sure don’t have sense enough to get out of it.

  • 57. Common sense
    April 5th, 2007 at 7:03 pm

    CK’s plan for the past few months has been to:

    * Wait until all his houses foreclose. Get whatever money he can from redemption rights along the way.

    * Build a household name for his blog at all cost, even with the help of his haterz ™, hence the provocative posts. It might come in handy later on.

    * Avoid getting a job until he files for BK. Without income/job, there is no possible repayment plan for even a portion of his debt.

    * Set up a shell corporation so he can hide his record during the next 7/10 years, while still securing sweet cash backs and bank loans which he doesn’t intend to repay ever anyways.

    * Continue his life style into the future by bouncing corporate checks, having overdrafts on his corporate credit cards, etc. Oh! The beaty of corporations is that you can create many of them for $50 each, and they can go belly up without impacting the company’s officers… if the deals have the appearance of being proper. Why play by the rules when you can thumb your nose at those idiotic, spoiled rich Americans? Just take their money and live well at their expense.

  • 58. YOU ARE ALL MORONS
    April 5th, 2007 at 7:33 pm

    The person who posted about having an electronics business go under and being half a million in debt was right…you stop payment on all debt, let everything go to foreclosure, let everything hang. In 7 years all the debt falls off. With the size of your fraud it will be difficult to discharge all the debts even after the foreclosures, so you just ignore call collection attepmts for 7 years. Don’t even talk to those people. The vast majority of them won’t waste their time filing judgements against you if you let the debt sit their passively as opposed to actively trying to discharge them chapter 7.

    Most of the morons here who are telling you to get a job to start paying your debt are being emotional not logical. Your first priority is for you and your family to survive the storm.

    Let everything foreclose without filing BK. Walk away from all the debt. Pretend it doesn’t exist. Get a job and operate on a pure cash basis(no credit), that is if you can avoid credit for 7 years which I don’t think you can.

  • Casey,

    You’re doing just fine.

    You’ve been blessed with a unique set of skills and your only real problem, at the moment, is that you haven’t yet found where to focus them (but you’ve done a pretty good job figuring out where not to focus ;-) .

    Don’t get a job. You don’t need a job.

    You have other talents and what you really need to do is figure out how to use them in a way that creates not only a living wage, but that and then some.

    Nigel said “the only way to negotiate is with income.” Ugh, no, Nigel. Having income is the last thing you need to demonstrate to CashCall at the moment.

    Keep on moving forward. You’re getting close, you’re growing up, you’re doing the best you can with what you’ve got. You’re making mistakes and that’s not a bad thing.

    Sure, your approach scares some people and revolts others, but they have their own way of looking at life and if their way works for them, that’s fine.

    But that doesn’t mean it has to work that way for you.

    Screw the W2 income. All that will do at this time is bring the creditors back into the picture.

    Instead, keep learning, keep trying new things, keep taking your shot. Sooner or later, you’ll either get there or give up, and I don’t think you’ll be giving up any time soon.

    In the meantime, just tell all the “get a job” folks to “cram it” because you’re on a mission they’ll never understand.

    WP

  • so did you buy the stock or did you not buy the stock?

  • 61. Casey Files
    April 5th, 2007 at 8:28 pm

    @ 22. DC EConomist

    “BK will not wipe out anything related to fraud. Once you initiate BK, you’re going to have to explain all your cashback.”

    I doubt it. Bankruptcy isn’t an adversarial process unless the adversary steps up. His creditors will have the opportunity to review his petition. If they choose to, they can object to granting it for several different reasons.

    But if they want to, they can just let it go. Bankruptcy is a civil matter. If the creditors don’t care, what’s the big deal? And if “society” cares, “society” will have to charge him in the correct court, a criminal one.

  • Screw CashCall. They are vultures. Every penny they get from you is a penny too much.

    You will eventually file bankruptcy. Do it now, or prolong the agony.

  • Did you end up selling the blueball? If so, how much did you get for it?

    I still believe you DID use your newfound corporate credit lines (God only knows how you got them!?!) to purchase the penny stock. The black hole keeps getting bigger.

  • @ Post # 59 Mr. Bogus

    How many people want to wager that post # 59 is Mr. Blip from Cashcall.

    Isn’t it funny how they have to keep a professional tone on the phone then they come on these boards and anonymously rant and speak their mind.

  • 65. Retarded Monkey
    April 6th, 2007 at 5:49 am

    Dude, don’t get a job because that will be giving up on your dream, and the real sign post of your failure and will interfere with your ability to make a big deal. If you get a job, just keep it for a couple of pay checks max, then quit before they have a chance to garnish your wages and, everyday you work you will be more of a prisoner and a prisoner of a job is worse then a prisoner of debt.

    Your financial statement shows you guy’s got about another $1000 in credit, better use that up now, maybe what you need to jump start something big.

    Entertainment, dining out, recreation expenses seem a little low at $200 a month, better triple that. You need to be in the right state of mind to go forward with a big deal and be in the social scene with the wheeler and dealers, you need to fake it till you make it.

  • 66. I can't believe I'm posting a comment
    April 6th, 2007 at 6:12 am

    Been watching this since the beginning - first time posting because I haven’t had anything to add that hasn’t been said by the other “haters. ” However, no one posted the accounting from the CC phone call:

    $600 rent (I thought I’d seen this earlier as $550, but hey, you’re not paying it anyway!)
    $150 car insurance
    $200 health insurance
    $200 cell phone
    $50 CABLE (that one truly boggles the mind- yea, yea, I know, it’s internet too! Have you heard of the public library? I’m pretty sure they have free internet access there)
    $300 utilities

    This actually adds up to the (most likely fictional) $1500 in income per month. Not to mention that it doesn’t include eating (which for you is several times more expensive than it should be), or gas/biodiesel (for the car), and a multitude of other things.

    Man, you are truly unbelievable.

  • 67. desperate_girl15
    April 6th, 2007 at 8:07 am

    Please list the Burdett property repairs you did with the $10,000.00.

  • Dude . . . you’re telling them you are past due because “business took a dive”?
    are you in such a denial or are you lying your a** off again?
    why lie? just tell them the truth, what are you afraid of at this point?

  • just in case you are really delusional and don’t understand what i mean by “the truth” i’ll clarify . . .

    the truth is:
    1) you had little to no money to begin with
    2) you decided to borrow a lot of money and gamble with it (thus defrauding lenders)
    3) your 1st gamble didn’t work out so you decided to double down a couple of times
    4) while doing this you continued to defraud lenders.
    5) you didn’t stop until you got caught and lenders would not let you borrow any more for another double down attempt of yours.
    6) so you went for “easy” money. the unsecured loans. credit cards.
    7) when that dried out you decided to get a few “business” lines.
    8) you started thinking (or perhaps already done it?) about opening corporations to be able to continue your . . . . whatever it is you want to call it, but that certainly is NOT business.

    so NO, “business” didn’t dive. something completely different happened here.

  • Jackie Treehorn, absolutely hilarious. I think he ended up giving away phone books or something.

    BTW CASEY, ever hear of SKYPE? For $10 you can have unlimited calling for 3 months with an incoming number. Much less than what you need now and since you don’t have a job I can’t see you leaving the house much so this should be a WIN-WIN!

  • See? See how easy it is to provide a cut like that?

    Plus, you actually get more clicks on your site because you require a click to read the whole post. With that information, I’m expecting you’re going to start using that “read more” tag on every single post, even the ones that are only a paragraph long.

    If you start doing that, I swear I’ll send someone to kneecap you.

  • Nice job proofreading your transcript, dummy. Take a look after “hold music plays”, right after you started lying about your income the second time. You have Mr. Blip and yourself mixed up. That’s why you need to read things if you want fools like me to keep coming back to your site.

    Man, it was really funny. Instead of Casey describing his make-believe world of happy like he does here, we finally heard Casey telling someone how messed up his life is. It was just Casey acting like a weasel trying to say what the bad man wanted to hear in the hope of getting something for free. I need more income? Wait, yes I make more money than I did thirty seconds ago! Clients? Why yes that’s right. I lost some “clients”! Car insurance is $150 a month, oops, I wonder if that speeding ticket will raise that. There was also a real estate thing but you don’t need to hear “excuses”.

    CashCall: “No. I do need to hear all those things because I need to know exactly what’s going on.”

    Why didn’t you plug your website at this point?

    It’s so sad because lying used to be your main source of income. Too bad the liar market crashed.

  • The only reason I can see why CS is taking the tactic he is using is to gain enough notoriety to eventually score a movie deal for his ventures. Perhaps he does know where he is going.

  • I don’t understand why you feel compelled to lie about your income.

    THAT IS HOW YOU KEEP ENDING UP OVEREXTENDED!

  • They took care of you. You didnt really get anything out of. They talked you into raising your income ( wtf), making a payment, they probably got a collection bonus,etc.

    Collectors WISH every person was just like you and kept making payment for no reason, extending the statute of limitations, still making payments when you are insolvent,etc.

    The collector WON, hands down.

    This wasn’t a negotiation. For negotiation, you make a low ball lump sum offer, get a 1099C, claim insolvency on your taxes,etc.

    Or just file BK.

    When someone is this behind on unsecured credit with no income, there is really no point in just trying to catch up. Either SETTLE ( settlement IMHO, means NO payments, no monthly payment or catchup bullchit, you pay a 1 time settlement, it isnt financed) OR BK.

    BK would stop them in their tracks.

    OR, maybe if you want to have some fun, play around with them, never pay them and the second they file a lawsuit, file BK.

    BTW, as Ive said a million times, but you never listen, you dont negotiate on the phone. You do it in writing.

    But what do I know, I am just a guy who has ACTUALLY settled deliquent credit accounts for 20-30 cents on the dollar and cleared up my credit (and gotten high 6 figures in business credit) in a couple years.

    but you listen to people who know NOTHING about debt negotation, debt collection law, etc.

    You refuse to listen to any good advice, so why do you ask for it?

  • Screw CashCall. They are a loan-shark snake-pit org. They have made enough money screwing the poor, the un-educated, the blue collar worker, the single mom and dad type. Once in a while CashCall will have to take a loss like a bank taking a loss on a foreclosure home. Responsibility ? Sure… How about Enron or Worldcom ? How responsible is that ?

  • Jackie Treehorn, great to see my friends around! Sorry about the whole episode with the ‘Vette. But, you know, a man’s got to do what a man’s got to do.

    Reminds me of a story this old cowboy guy was telling me one time. It goes like this:

    Way out west there was this fella I wanna tell ya about. Goes by the name of Casey Serin. At least that was the handle his loving parents gave him, but he never had much use for it himself.

    See, this Serin, he called himself “The Sweet Juicing Real Estate Investor”. Now, “Real Estate Investor” - there’s a name no man would self-apply where I come from. But then there was a lot about the Investor that didn’t make a whole lot of sense.

    And a lot about where he lived, likewise. But then again, maybe that’s why I found the place so darned interestin’. See, they call Sacramento the heart of California; but I didn’t find it to be that, exactly. But I’ll allow it as there are some nice folks there. ‘Course I ain’t never been to London, and I ain’t never seen France. And I ain’t never seen no queen in her damned undies, so the feller says. But I’ll tell you what - after seeing Sacramento, and this here story I’m about to unfold, well, I guess I seen somethin’ every bit as stupefyin’ as you’d seen in any of them other places.

    And mostly in English, too. So I can die with a smile on my face, without feelin’ like the good Lord gypped me.

    Now this here story I’m about to unfold took place in 2006 - just about the time of our second conflict with the I-raqis. I only mention it because sometimes there’s a man… I won’t say a hero, ’cause, what’s a hero? Sometimes, there’s a man. And I’m talkin’ about the Investor here - the Investor from Sacramento. Sometimes, there’s a man, well, he’s the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that’s the Investor. The Investor, from Sacramento.

    And even if he’s a lazy man - and the Investor was most certainly that. Quite possibly the laziest in all of blogdom, which would place him high in the runnin’ for laziest worldwide. Sometimes there’s a man, sometimes, there’s a man. Well, I lost my train of thought here. But… aw, hell. I’ve done introduced it enough.

  • Why do you constantly act like everything is fine????

    Jeez, wake up to reality.

    Do you realize that you just screwed up your entire credit picture from this real estate floating sham you had going on??

    Are you afraid of going to jail over the false information that you provided on your loan applications???

    You should be cleaning the floors of every lender you defrauded for thousands of hours to pay back the money you took from them. The money that you never had any intention of paying back.

    I’m disgusted that someone could be so financially irresponsible with their lives.

  • casey…

    you really need to snap out of it man, paying this small bill aint gonna change anything in the big picture.

  • Dear Casey:

    Hang in there guy, you have done more in your first 24 years of life, than most people do in their whole life time. Good for you!

    I think you have made some bad choices, but without failure you do not and will not find success, just learn from each failure, it is a lesson in life, you should get happy, you are finding out what don’t work, that is a lesson, pretty soon what does work, will come to you.

    I think you have some special qualities about you, and will come through this fine. I question how the banks or mortgage companies loaned you all this money, even if you did fudge some numbers, well I guess I do, if they are NO STATED INCOME LOANS, but they still are pulling your credit report and must have seen the debt you were in, so I think it’s a write off for the banks or financial institutes.

    With the new bankruptcy laws, not sure how you can go that route, cause I don’t understand the changes that were made.

    Do not listen to all these negative people with their bitter comments, these people are followers, not leaders, like yourself, you are a LEADER, and your time will come.

    You keep going and do NOT let this beat you, with all the publicity you are getting, I am not sure why you do not have a make a dollar donation to a paypal account or something on your front page, maybe two million Americans will send you a buck or two, to help out. I would.

    I wish you well, and I look forward to hearing about your future successes in life.

    Thanks,

    JP
    Michigan Broker

    PS I sent you an email earlier, do not put that on your web site, that letter was confidential before I read anything about you. Good Luck!!!

  • 81. JP From Michigan
    April 13th, 2007 at 11:04 pm

    Dear Casey:

    Another thing, you should have never dealt with banks, go to the owners, take over their mortgages, make their payment with a cover your “a” letter. Not responsible for non-payment of the mortgage, most people are just glad to get out from under the debt and safe their credit.

    Them type deals, you would not be in this situation, look up Ron Lagrand, I think he is out of florida, that is how he buys and sells property, my father does quite well in florida, he has people giving him houses, being in real estate, I couldn’t beleive it myself.

    Keep it all going, what do you really have to lose at this point, you may get lucky.

    I am proud of you for your age 24, and making all these deals when I see most that age even 30 year olds living with their parents and still going to school, the perpetual students, lol.

    A job will NOT EVER help you, will only kill you fast. Keep exploring new ideas, do whatever it takes, I am sure people will see you on these news shows, and maybe wanna help you, god if I had it, I would.

    Good Luck pal, I am gonna keep checking back. I give you so much credit for trying, do NOT LOSE THAT from your soul, it is part of you, do not let it die.

    Thanks Cassey and good luck.

    JP From Michigan

  • 82. Jacob Swodeck
    April 14th, 2007 at 12:07 am

    Hey Casey, I saw you on TV tonight, I also read that you are looking to assemble a team of Short Sale Experts around the nation to help people who are need of a short sale (and usually don’t know it exists). I thought the interview was honest and powerful for the nation to see. I am 32 years old and have been negotiating short sales for around ten years. Our company is probably the largest independantly owned short sale brokerage in southern California. We have an est. 175 short sales we are currently working on. My business partner was the first known broker to successfully negotiate a short sale in the early 1980’s. We have an efficient and knowledgable staff. We receive an est. 5 leads a day from BK attornies, brokers, agents and other sources. I lecture on short sales and have carved a wonderful niche in the industry. Anyways, I can be reached via email for now if you get around to developing that network you spoke of in one of your blogs. Keep up the good work…

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